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Al-Tila’ (The One-Third Juice (grape juice) that has Remained after the Evaporation of the other Two-Thirds)

No. ١chapter #1vol. 6 · page 420
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مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي حَمْزَةَ عَنْ أَبِي بَصِيرٍ قَالَ

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سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع يَقُولُ‌ وَ قَدْ سُئِلَ عَنِ الطِّلَاءِ فَقَالَ إِنْ طُبِخَ حَتَّى يَذْهَبَ مِنْهُ اثْنَانِ وَ يَبْقَى وَاحِدٌ فَهُوَ حَلَالٌ وَ مَا كَانَ دُونَ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ فِيهِ خَيْرٌ.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

1. Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad Ali ibn al-Hakam from Ali ibn abu Hamzah from abu Basir who has said the following: “I once heard abu ‘Abd Allah (a.s.), saying, when he was asked about al-Tila’; ‘If it is cooked and boiled until its two-thirds have evaporated and only one-third has remained it then is lawful for use and if it has evaporated less it is devoid of goodness.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • ضعيفAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (2/283)
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[1]الطلا- بكسر الطاء مقصورا و ممدودا-: ما طبخ من عصير العنب حتّى يذهب ثلثاه.ص 420

No. ٢chapter #2vol. 6 · page 420
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عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ الْمُغِيرَةِ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ سِنَانٍ قَالَ

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قَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع‌ إِنَّ الْعَصِيرَ إِذَا طُبِخَ حَتَّى يَذْهَبَ ثُلُثَاهُ وَ يَبْقَى ثُلُثُهُ فَهُوَ حَلَالٌ.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

2. Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ‘ Abd Allah ibn al-Mughirah from ‘ Abd Allah ibn Sinan who has said the following: “Abu ‘Abd Allah (a.s.), has said, ‘If juice (grape juice) is boiled until its two-thirds are evaporated and only one-third has remained, it then is lawful for use.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • حسنAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (22/283)
No. ٣chapter #3vol. 6 · page 420
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أَبُو عَلِيٍّ الْأَشْعَرِيُّ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الْجَبَّارِ عَنْ مَنْصُورِ بْنِ حَازِمٍ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي يَعْفُورٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ:

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إِذَا زَادَ الطِّلَاءُ عَلَى الثُّلُثِ فَهُوَ حَرَامٌ.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

3. Abu Ali al-Ash‘ariy has narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Jabbar from Mansur ibn Hazim from ibn abu Ya‘fur who has said the following: “Abu ‘Abd Allah (a.s.), has said, ‘If al-Tila ’ (the remaining boiled juice) is more than one-third it is unlawful for use.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • صحيحAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (22/283)
No. ٤chapter #4vol. 6 · page 420
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عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ عَطِيَّةَ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ يَزِيدَ قَالَ:

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قُلْتُ لِأَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع الرَّجُلُ يُهْدِي إِلَيَّ الْبُخْتُجَ‌ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَصْحَابِنَا فَقَالَ ع إِنْ كَانَ مِمَّنْ يَسْتَحِلُّ الْمُسْكِرَ فَلَا تَشْرَبْهُ وَ إِنْ كَانَ مِمَّنْ لَا يَسْتَحِلُّ شُرْبَهُ فَاقْبَلْهُ أَوْ قَالَ اشْرَبْهُ.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

4. Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from Ibn Abi ‘Umayr from al-Hassan ibn ‘Atiyyah from ‘Umar ibn Yazid who has said the following: “I once asked abu ‘Abd Allah (a.s.), about the case of a man who recommends the use of boiled juice (grape juice) and he is not one of our people. He (the Imam) said, ‘If he is one who considers intoxicating substances lawful, then do not use it but if he considers it unlawful then you can use it for drink,’ or that he (the Imam) said, ‘You can drink it.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • حسنAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (2/283)
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[2]البختج: العصير المطبوخ و اصله بالفارسية مى‌پخته.( النهاية)ص 420

No. ٥chapter #5vol. 6 · page 420
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ابْنُ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ يَزِيدَ قَالَ

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قَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع‌ إِذَا كَانَ يَخْضِبُ الْإِنَاءَ فَاشْرَبْهُ‌.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

5. Ibn abu ‘Umayr has narrated from ‘Umar ibn Yazid who has said the following: “Abu ‘Abd Allah (a.s.), has said, ‘When two-thirds of juice (grape juice) is evaporated (because of boiling) then you can drink it.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • حسنAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (2/284)
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[3]كان خضاب الاناء انما يعتبر فيما لا يعلم ذهاب ثلثيه.( فى)ص 420

No. ٦chapter #6vol. 6 · page 420
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مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ وَهْبٍ قَالَ:

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سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع عَنِ الْبُخْتُجِ فَقَالَ إِنْ كَانَ حُلْواً يَخْضِبُ الْإِنَاءَ وَ قَالَ صَاحِبُهُ قَدْ ذَهَبَ ثُلُثَاهُ وَ بَقِيَ الثُّلُثُ فَاشْرَبْهُ.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

6. Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from Ali ibn al-Hakam from Mu‘awiyah ibn Wahab who has said the following: “I once asked abu ‘Abd Allah (a.s.), about al-Bakhtaj (boiled juice). He (the Imam) said, ‘If it is sweet with an indication of two-thirds being evaporated and the owner also says that two- thirds have been evaporated, only one-third has remained, then you can drink it.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • صحيحAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (2/284)
No. ٧chapter #7vol. 6 · page 421
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مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ إِسْمَاعِيلَ عَنْ يُونُسَ بْنِ يَعْقُوبَ عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ عَمَّارٍ قَالَ:

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سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع عَنِ الرَّجُلِ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَعْرِفَةِ بِالْحَقِّ يَأْتِينِي بِالْبُخْتُجِ وَ يَقُولُ قَدْ طُبِخَ عَلَى الثُّلُثِ وَ أَنَا أَعْلَمُ أَنَّهُ يَشْرَبُهُ عَلَى النِّصْفِ أَ فَأَشْرَبُهُ بِقَوْلِهِ وَ هُوَ يَشْرَبُهُ عَلَى النِّصْفِ فَقَالَ لَا تَشْرَبْهُ فَقُلْتُ فَرَجُلٌ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَهْلِ الْمَعْرِفَةِ مِمَّنْ لَا نَعْرِفُهُ يَشْرَبُهُ عَلَى الثُّلُثِ وَ لَا يَسْتَحِلُّهُ عَلَى النِّصْفِ يُخْبِرُنَا أَنَّ عِنْدَهُ بُخْتُجاً عَلَى الثُّلُثِ قَدْ ذَهَبَ ثُلُثَاهُ وَ بَقِيَ ثُلُثُهُ نَشْرَبُ مِنْهُ قَالَ نَعَمْ.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

7. Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from Muhammad ibn ’Isma‘il from Yunus ibn Ya‘qub from Mu‘awiyah ibn ‘Ammar who has said the following: “I once asked abu ‘Abd Allah (a.s.), about the case of a man who knows the truth and brings boiled juice (grape juice). He says that it is cooked until two-thirds are evaporated but I know that he drinks even when only half is evaporated; if I can drink it while he drinks only when one-half is evaporated. He (the Imam) said, ‘Do not drink it.’ I then asked about the case of a man who is not of the people who know the truth, and we do not know him but he drinks only when two-thirds of juice are evaporated. He does not consider it lawful to drink after one-half is evaporated and he informs us about a boiled juice (grape juice), says that its two-thirds have evaporated and only one-third is left; if we can drink it. He (the Imam) said, ‘Yes, you can drink it.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • موثقAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (2/284)
No. ٨chapter #8vol. 6 · page 421
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الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ إِسْحَاقَ عَنْ بَكْرِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي يَعْفُورٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ:

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إِذَا شَرِبَ الرَّجُلُ النَّبِيذَ الْمَخْمُورَ فَلَا تَجُوزُ شَهَادَتُهُ فِي شَيْ‌ءٍ مِنَ الْأَشْرِبَةِ وَ لَوْ كَانَ يَصِفُ مَا تَصِفُونَ‌.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

8. Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad has narrated from Ahmad ibn Ishaq from Bakr ibn Muhammad from ibn abu Ya‘fur who has said the following: “Abu ‘Abd Allah (a.s.), has said, ‘If one drinks intoxicating al-Nabidh his testimony is not acceptable in any of the drinks, even if he believes in what you believe.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • صحيحAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (2/284)
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[1]أي و لو كان قائلا بما أنتم قائلون و معتقدا ما أنتم معتقدون من ولاية ائمة أهل البيت أو في وجوب ذهاب الثلثين و حرمة الانبذة.ص 421

No. ٩chapter #9vol. 6 · page 421
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بَعْضُ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الْحَمِيدِ عَنْ سَيْفِ بْنِ عَمِيرَةَ عَنْ مَنْصُورٍ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي يَعْفُورٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ:

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إِذَا زَادَ الطِّلَاءُ عَلَى الثُّلُثِ أُوقِيَّةً فَهُوَ حَرَامٌ.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

9. Certain persons of our people have narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Hamid from Sayf ibn ‘Amirah from Mansur from ibn abu Ya‘fur who has said the following: “If al-Tila’ is more than one-third even by one ritl (a certain unit of measurement) it then is unlawful.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • صحيحAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (22/284)
No. ١٠chapter #10vol. 6 · page 421
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عِدَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ سَهْلِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ عَنْ مُوسَى بْنِ الْقَاسِمِ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ عَنْ أَخِيهِ أَبِي الْحَسَنِ مُوسَى ع قَالَ:

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سَأَلْتُهُ عَنِ الزَّبِيبِ هَلْ يَصْلُحُ أَنْ يُطْبَخَ حَتَّى يَخْرُجَ طَعْمُهُ ثُمَّ يُؤْخَذَ ذَلِكَ الْمَاءُ فَيُطْبَخَ حَتَّى يَذْهَبَ ثُلُثَاهُ وَ يَبْقَى الثُّلُثُ ثُمَّ يُرْفَعَ وَ يُشْرَبَ مِنْهُ السَّنَةَ فَقَالَ لَا بَأْسَ بِهِ‌.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

10. A number of our people have narrated from Sahl ibn Ziyad from Musa ibn al-Qasim from Ali ibn Ja‘far from his brother abu al- Hassan (a.s.), who has said the following: “I once asked abu al-Hassan (a.s.), about raisins; if it can be boiled to extract its sweetness, then that water is boiled until its two-thirds are evaporated and only one-third is left; then it is taken away to use for drink during the year. He (the Imam) said, ‘It is not unlawful.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • ضعيف على المشهورAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (22/285)
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[2]قال في المسالك: الحكم بوجوب ذهاب الثلثين مختص بعصير العنب فلا يتعدى إلى عصير الزبيب على الأصحّ لذهاب ثلثيه بالشمس و حرمه بعض علمائنا استنادا إلى مفهوم رواية على بن جعفر و هذه الرواية مع أن في طريقها سهل بن زياد لا تدلّ على تحريمه قبل ذهاب ثلثيه بوجه و انما نفى عليه السلام الباس عن هذا العمل الموصوف و ابقاء الشراب عنده يشرب منه و تخصيص السؤال بالثلثين لا يدلّ على تحريمه بدونه و انما تظهر فائدة التقييد به لتذهب مائيته فيصح للمكث عنده المدة المذكورة.ص 421

No. ١١chapter #11vol. 6 · page 421
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مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ عَنْ عُقْبَةَ بْنِ خَالِدٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ:

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فِي رَجُلٍ أَخَذَ عَشَرَةَ أَرْطَالٍ مِنْ عَصِيرِ الْعِنَبِ فَصَبَّ عَلَيْهِ عِشْرِينَ رِطْلًا مَاءً وَ طَبَخَهَا حَتَّى ذَهَبَ مِنْهُ عِشْرُونَ رِطْلًا وَ بَقِيَ عَشَرَةُ أَرْطَالٍ أَ يَصْلُحُ شُرْبُ ذَلِكَ أَمْ لَا فَقَالَ مَا طُبِخَ عَلَى ثُلُثِهِ فَهُوَ حَلَالٌ.

Read English translationMuhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn

11. Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Muhammad ibn al-Husayn from Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah from ‘Uqbah ibn Khalid who has said the following: “About the case of a man who takes ten ritl of grape juice, then pours in it twenty ritl of water, then boils it until twenty ritl of it is evaporated and only ten ritl is left; if it can be used for drink or not. He (the Imam) said, ‘What is cooked until only one-third remains it is lawful.’”

Translation: Muhammad Sarwar — attributed by Thaqalayn·The Arabic above is the original.

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  • مجهولAllamah Baqir al-MajlisiMirʾāt al-ʿUqūl fī Sharḥ Akhbār Āl al-Rasūl (22/285)